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Hello, friend! I’m so excited for part two of Things That We’re Vibing With this week. If you got to listen in last week, or in case you missed it, there was a part one to this two part series. And there was just so much amazing, incredible info in this episode that I decided to break it up into two. Just to keep it digestible and also just to keep you looking forward to more of a discussion.

And so I’m, so excited. You’re here for part two. You’re gonna love it. It’s gonna resonate so much. And make sure that you go ahead and listen to part one before or after this just so you can catch up on all the things.

All right, segwaying to mine. I actually was just thinking about it on this morning. You’ll laugh about it because one is something we’re actually, I think, both doing currently. But anyways, the first one that I want to talk about is something that we’ve chatted about quite a bit. It’s one of those things that people can be upset with me if they want, but something that I feel like has just become so trendy and something that is so out of alignment is kind of this identification with different labels, different names.

It’s, it’s, it’s very interesting to me. And the one that I always think of that we talk about a lot is when people tell me, I have MTHFR and they talk about that genetic variant as if it’s a diagnosis, which it’s not. It’s very interesting. So I think MTHFR is the one that I’m going to highlight a little bit here, but it’s when people start saying, well, I have this, I have that, and, or kind of gleaning to these things that, yeah. I could do a whole episode on it, but the MTHFR one sticks out because I think that people don’t really understand how genetics works, and as a result, they’re like, well, my doctor, because now you can, you can test for that on Quest lab work, you know. You could get it anywhere now, so they’re like, oh, well, my doctor told me I had this, therefore… and with MTHFR, so it’s a genetic variant that I’m not even going to totally pronounce it correctly because it’s an extremely long word, but essentially it’s something that can influence how well you detox, how you methylate certain vitamins.

But I like to tell people it’s literally one small piece of a thousand piece jigsaw puzzle. I mean, it’s just such a small component. Yeah, does it matter? Absolutely. Cause every part of your, your body matters. But I see this, this thought process of like, well, again, it’s kind of like not connecting intuitively of can this be beneficial to me? It’s like, well, I was told I have this, so therefore, you know, and then it’s getting into that, that, that conditioning that we’ve all had where it’s not, we’re not coming back into our body and what feels good or just really connect into what that is.

The thing that I want to highlight with the whole MTHFR thing is, you know, at least 60 percent of the population has it. But we know that our, our thoughts, our emotions, stress, that has the greatest influence on how genes are expressed. And I really like the book Dirty Genes by Ben Lynch. It’s a really great read for people who are wanting to understand just, you know, how things all integrate together with that. Also, I’d like to always tell people there’s, there’s a book called It Started Before You and they, they share that 98 percent of our DNA is non coded. So there’s 2 percent of our DNA that’s coded for physical characteristics. The other 98 percent is literally all emotional. and stress and resiliency built over generations.

So that said, we know that what we perceive as our reality, our day to day stress, our, what we take in, our feelings, our thoughts, emotions, that plays the greatest role on our gene expression and literally is why people that get diagnosed with cancer, different ailments. They’re able to influence how their body responds to different things. And so I just think that that’s something that I wish people understood does not have to be their, their crutch. You know, it doesn’t have to be the thing that you are kind of weighing decisions up against per se. And I think that again, there’s just lack of awareness of how that’s just one small component of gene things.

You know, I had done a, I know people have various opinions on 23andMe. I had done a 23andMe DNA test years ago, like a decade ago, before people started doing them. And Ancestry.com, blah, blah, blah. It was super helpful and informative, and I enjoyed it because I loved learning that stuff. But what was really interesting, and I wish is something that people had available today. Because I don’t even know how people still get it. I remember getting a printout of, gosh, it was like a 12 page printout of, based off of what came up in your 23andMe, these are pharmaceuticals that It would never work for you. You should never use that. There was that and then ones that I would be less resistant to. How did I respond to coffee? I mean that, and granted still, I do believe that can be influenced, but it was really interesting to see how there’s just so many pieces and that is just one, like it’s, it’s not quite yet, you know?

And I think again, there’s just this, what doesn’t resonate for, for me and never will is just any sort of identity with diagnoses or just kind of taking on something as the reason that you’re not well, you know, instead of just really taking full radical ownership. It could be its own podcast episode, but so that’s totally, um, so that came to mind. I wanted to mention in the other one, and we’re both doing this right now. So it’d be fun to talk about is, um, parasite cleansing, because I know I’m on a parasite cleanse. You’re on a parasite cleanse. I guess what I wanted to say with parasite cleansing and it’s like, I think it’s a good thing. Kind of my thought on the topic is, and we’ve talked about this quite a bit, is nothing is so black and white, you know?

I don’t, I want people to understand, because I just think something that I’ve seen get very trendy over the last couple years is parasite cleansing, microdosing. Um, there’s a couple things that I’ve seen get really trendy. And you know, we see this, it’s, it, everything does its cycle every few years. I’m so glad that the parasite aspect is getting attention because I do think it’s important. What I think gets lost in translation is the fact that parasites are an essential part of the microbiome. And if we are going to look at the big picture, we have to understand, okay, how is my current environment both externally and internally supporting an unhealthy population of parasites within me, that’s even like making this an issue?

And that’s when we can talk about, you know, EMS I do think there’s a huge emotional component because when I think of parasites I think of what you know, parasites thrive off of a host right and they need the host in order to survive. So from a very metaphysical perspective, I think of what are we allowing to consume all our energy and all our time that is literally a parasite in our life. And I think that absolutely has to be addressed. You know, the thing with parasites is as you do that detoxing, they’re very much connected to heavy metals and toxic emotions. So you likely will experience, it’s a detox of all of those things as you’re doing the parasite cleansing.

The other thing I like to look at too, or it just, it makes me think of just kind of all the aspects of it. And what I think is, I just think in a sense, it’s become something that people are very kind of like, oh, well, I’m just going to do a parasite cleansing. Not understanding that there is a, again, just kind of one piece of the puzzle. And also that looking at how the balance, you want that ultimate balance within your microbiome and also really looking at just kind of all those aspects and all those layers. So I’ll keep going on it, but I’d love your thoughts on this because you’re on Parasite Cleanse right now.

Hillary

I am. Yes. And I totally agree. I think two things, both with the MTHFR and the Parasite Cleanse and really kind of with everything we’ve talked about is, the difference between looking at the part versus the whole. And I really do think that that is where the shift needs to be. It’s like, you know, and again, be a whole other podcast. But if we just zoom out and look at our society in the way that we’ve all been conditioned to view health and view the answers, the quote unquote answers to health. And Western medicine and, you know, big pharma and all of it. It’s always the part it’s, you know, the only time you see anyone looking at the whole is when you’re working with a holistic practitioner, you know, an integrative practitioner, a functional practitioner, and someone that really truly understands all of the layers.

And the emotional component is huge. I mean, it’s in my opinion, the foundation for, for all of it. So even talking about the MTHFR, it’s like, when I think about all the things that you would do if you were identifying with this MTHFR label, it’s things that we all should be doing anyway. And same thing with, with, you know, the parasite cleansing, like really, you know, for MTHFR, it’s like, okay, so you don’t want to take synthetic folic acid. Folic acid is the synthetic version of folate. Well, why would, why, why would we be doing that anyway? Why would we not just be taking folate? You know, why would we not just be getting folate from our food? Right? So, you know, it’s like, avoid, you know, avoid things like cereal and things like that, that have added synthetic folic acid or avoid prenatal vitamins that have folic acid.

Okay. But, why would we ever really be? Yes. Totally. Yeah. Why would we be drawn? Why would we be drawn to or led to those things anyway, as being healthy for us? You know, it’s like, it just, it’s so mind blowing to me where, how, like where we are again, as a society and everyone being conditioned to think that they’re deficient in something that’s manmade. So, you know what I mean? It’s like, okay, why would you be deficient in the manmade synthetic version of, of anything that is available in nature to us and in food? It’s a, seems strange to me.

So, you know, and then with, with like, you know, having trouble detoxing, like support your body and detoxing when you have a quote unquote, have the MTHFR gene. Don’t, you know, try to avoid toxins as much as possible. I mean, again, these are all things that we all should be doing anyway. And then as far as, uh, what was the other one that you just said? I just lost it. The second one. Oh, the parasite cleansing. Yeah. It’s the same thing. It’s like creating the environment so that you’re not hosting unwanted organisms.

Yeah, we, we, and I think people have a hard time even understanding that we do. It is a balance of good and bad bacteria. It’s a microbiome. There has to be a little bit of both. Like it’s, it’s, it’s important to have a little bit of both. Our bodies are not really made to just thrive on what we call good bacteria or good, you know, there’s got to like, parasites actually have a really great purpose. They’re there to digest, the, the things we don’t want, the heavy metals, the toxins, like they’re in a, in a good, um, balance, the parasites are actually what’s keeping you in balance. If you have like a great microbiome, then you’ve got some of those parasites to keep it great, right? To get in there and eat up and digest all of the yucky stuff.

And then your body should be able to expel them, you know, on a regular basis. It’s our modern diet. It’s like what we’re, you know, it’s how we’re treating our bodies that really puts us in a position of having this huge imbalance and then basically giving these parasites so much to feed off of that they just multiply. Right? But again, parasite cleanse or no parasite cleanse, we really should be looking at the whole body and how we can support that and how we can create like, you know, a really great environment and host for ourselves. Like, you know, our body is the host of us, of us as a spirit. So we should be nurturing that, right? So, yeah, totally agree. Totally agree.

And so with parasite cleansing too, it’s, I like to look at your body. Your body is the host, right? So if you’re looking at, okay, how can I get rid of these things that are, that my body is hosting? It’s also like, look at how can you create a better, just host in general for you? Like your, your body is the host of you. Your body is where your spirit lives, right? So to me, it’s like, let’s, let’s, let’s really work on creating that really safe place for you to live inside your body. Rather than focusing so much on how do I create a place where I don’t want bad things to live? AKA parasites or you know anything else, but more just like, it’s something everybody should be doing we should all be constantly really like nurturing ourselves is really, you know, yeah.

Lindsay

Yeah, I love you just bringing that up because I something I observed a lot with clients as well is that they, they’re like, well, I’ve already, or I just need to keep detoxing or getting rid of it, it becomes almost like a compulsion to just get rid of everything bad. And I remember when I was going through Lyme treatment. All these people would be like, oh, well, how do you know the line’s gone? Did you do testing? Did you do, you know, people want to know, like, do you have proof? And it’s like, the proof really should be how you’re feeling. Like that should be your guidepost. I don’t need a piece of paper to tell me whether I have line or not. I have zero interest in really getting tested again, muscle testing. Sure. You know, cause I feel like that is just as valid and, but I don’t need a piece paper to tell me, like, oh, you have this specific parasite.

I can also just, you know, look at that as like you were saying, I love how in other cultures, it’s tradition. It’s part of their culture to routinely cleanse because they know how valuable it is for their culture, for their health. So it’s not seen as some sort of compulsion or I just want to get rid of bad things. It’s seen as this is the way that we take care of ourselves. This is how we honor ourselves as, as, as a community. Thank you. And how we

give back to each other. It’s more this like symbiotic, beautiful thing as opposed to like, oh, I’m just biohacking or I’m just like getting rid of this and doing, you know, it’s, I, I almost feel like, you know, that’s kind of the thing that I’ve seen within our culture that just does not resonate.

It’s like, okay, I’m just going to keep jumping to this next thing that I should be doing so that I can reverse my age by a decade and do this. And it’s like, how about like, for me, I really want my compass to be, you how, how present can I be? How good of a parent I am to my kids? How well, like, how is my energy, like you were saying with the adrenal fatigue, do I need to like slow down or adjust anything in my life so I can show up better for the things that I do love and my, my family and friends, that’s the guidepost, right? Rather than kind of always looking to, I think in some ways it’s a trauma response to just compulsively keep on doing more because it just, it’s almost like, well, things are still wrong, so I’ll just do this, you know?

Hillary

Yes. And it’s, it goes along with that whole go, go, go that we talked about. It’s the desire to fix, fix, fix, fix, fix. There’s something wrong. I need to fix it. I need to fix it when really, it’s yes, of course, if we’re not feeling well, and we’re not feeling right, and we know that our body isn’t or our emotional state like isn’t where isn’t in the best place or the healthiest place. Yes, we’re going to want to fix that. But it’s really just it’s like your mindset about it. It’s as you said, it’s like, finding it’s finding a way to come back home to yourself. That’s really what I always come back to is like, how can you get back to your truest and best form? And I love what you brought up about the other cultures and about cleansing, because again, it’s a different mindset. They’re not doing it to fix anything. They’re doing it to nurture. And that is the difference.

Lindsay

It’s so beautiful that I love and admire. Yeah, it’s just a different vibration.

Hillary

Such a different vibration. And again, I think that fixing, that compulsion to fix and just the whole mentality is a product of, again, our society, like the way that we’ve been conditioned. I mean, it comes down to, if you want to go back in history and, you know, big pharma, when they entered the, enter the chat, it’s like everything changed, right? So to me, what I, my, you know, biggest desire would to really help, to help people see that we are not in this state of constantly needing to be fixed. We are really just needing to come back to us and come back to our own intuition and learn to love and trust what we already have inside of us. I mean, I think that everyone is capable of healing, but it’s a matter of knowing that your body is capable of healing. Trusting your body to be capable of healing, and then working with it.

Lindsay

Absolutely. I love that. I think that ties in so beautifully to move into what’s resonating these days. And just to kind of wrap up our episode with, just the things that have been really nurturing us, giving us peace, just kind of warming our spirit in this healing journey. So, I had one in mind that I want to share, but I’d love to hear yours first.

Hillary

Oh, okay. Let’s see. I would say, so for me, what has been just incredibly life giving and nurturing is finding pillars in my day that nurture my body and soul. So a few of them for me are like a walk outside and, you know, some of these things just feel so basic, but they really are just like the, I think the keys to that intuition and trust that, we all need to come back to.

So walking outside is one. Breath work is another huge one. And I will tell you, I struggled for a long time because I had a therapist for like over a year after I was hospitalized those couple of times, I really felt I needed support in overcoming that like trauma, because I felt like suddenly I didn’t trust my body anymore.

I had come so far with the Hashimoto’s and, you know, I felt like it just with the rug was ripped out from underneath me. And so I had this amazing therapist. The answer to everything for him was meditation. It was always meditation. And I was like, okay, but that’s not what I, you know, I can do that on my own, like, help me. But it was always, he would always come back to meditation and now I just laugh.

Lindsay

Just like the Dalai Lama, he’s like…

Hillary

Just totally , just meditate. It’s, but it, it really is. I mean he, it’s like now he was, he was really sweet. He was like probably 75. Such a wise, such a wise man. And I just wanna call him sometimes and say, okay, I get it

Lindsay

I love that so, so much and so spot on. Cause one of the things I was thinking of was with social media. Just, I like to think of like your, your essence is your presence, right? So it’s like how I know we’ve been kind of in similar seasons of this. And I like have felt that’s been really, really huge. I mean, I, I, I feel, I feel as if 95 percent of people with mental health issues took a break, a social media break, they would feel so much better, so much better. Because it, you just don’t realize, you know, our nervous systems are not set up for this kind of noise and inputs and all of it.

And it feels very strange because, you know, both you and me are get it done people. You know, we are very good at getting things done and producing and doing all those things and there’s space for both of them. But I, I feel similar just in the sense that I’ve just been honoring my season and knowing that it’s okay that I’m slowing down. It just feels like it’s been a very gradual going from like 170 to what still probably is a good 55, but it’s still, it’s just, you know, I’m not sure how to drive the car, you know, where’s my teacher, you know? It’s just, um, I’m still not used to any drivers that again, it’s just kind of like, not.

Your body is recalibrating. I’ve realized, okay, my body’s still recalibrating to this different frequency and I have to just kind of allow for it. I think it comes down to what you’re saying, just permission and allowing. And just knowing like that is going to work out for your highest good, as opposed to thinking that it’s going to do you a disservice, it is really just coming back to yourself.

Hillary

Totally. Yep. Totally. It’s, it’s it’s like the rest and digest, um, state, right? It’s just kind of like asking yourself throughout your day. Like, are you, am I in fight or flight right now? Or am I in rest or digest, rest and digest, you know, like where sometimes it’s just asking that simple question can really help you kind of fall into, okay, I feel my heart pounding or I feel that I’m like anxious or I feel that I’m frustrated or, you know, I’m, I’m allowing my energy to fully shift because of the situation. So stop, you know, and that was something I had to do a lot after, you know, and healing the adrenal fatigue was just constantly self assessed, you know? Yeah, totally agree, totally, totally agree.

And I think it’s happening as like, I think what you and I are speaking are really is really happening for the collective. I really feel like it’s, across the board, people are saying the same things. Everybody’s wanting to slow down. Everybody’s feeling like they’re ready to rest. People are wanting to get off of social media. People are tired of the inauthentic performative crap, you know, it’s like everybody’s searching for true connection, authentic expression of themselves and others and just wanting to like cut the bullshit.

Lindsay

Totally, totally. That was one of the things that I, I was thinking of just things resonating. And I think what comes to mind is just really connecting with the heart space and t was just, you know, I know that so often we hear, oh, well, you know, the gut is the foundation of all health. And I believe it’s the heart. You know, I do believe that. Yes. Do I think the gut is important? Absolutely. But I love that something that is getting more attention and more awareness is just even like the gut heart brain access since your heart has its whole nervous system and its whole quantum field always assessing.

And it’s just like this wise being inside your body that already knows what feels good, like what’s right, you know, what, you know, it’s that it’s that sensor. And so just with what you’re saying, I’ve been really leaning into my heart space and what really feels good to my heart and what is my heart really wants. Then it’s very clear why you’re dealing with certain symptoms, you know, because, and I mean, it’s finding the balance there because, you know, some things are just life and seasons and whatever.

But I love that you mentioned just connecting with those smaller things during the day, because that really doesn’t add up to that much time. It’s just allowing for yourself to experience it and noticing it. And as a result, you are giving up maybe 10 minutes that you would be scrolling on social media or 10 minutes that you would just be kind of like, I don’t know, just aimless. It’s just beginning, getting more present and realizing that when you do those things, you show up in a totally different capacity.

Hillary

Totally. Yes. It’s so true.

Lindsay

Yeah, I think that this is the thing that I appreciate about you and just kind of my, um, my wise friends that already get that and are already in the space of just recognizing the value of that and bringing it into your life. And so, yeah, I, I, I love being able to end with that and just guiding people to noticing those small things, making it a point to include those in your day. Because I do think that is the main thing I hear from people I work with that are moms is they, there’s that always that sacrifice and those little things are the things that can be actually done when you have family. It’s all the people around and it’s just, it’s practice.

Hillary

Oh, a hundred percent. It’s something I really learned well, like I said, after coming back from the hospital, I realized how little I paid attention to my energy prior. And once I, I mean, I had like, not that I was being led by fear, but I knew that I could not afford to expend my energy in the same way that I had before. And so I had, I was forced to be hyper aware of my energy. And it was really interesting because I noticed that even just certain conversations with people that were not like heated conversations or anything, just regular conversations. But I noticed that a lot of times it was pulling a lot of energy for me and I would feel exhausted afterwards.

It was actually, just again, an incredible gift because now I feel like I can tap into that so quickly I can really easily tap into, you know, is this something that I want to spend my energy on right now, right, whether it’s like, an interaction or going to, you know, a party or whatever it is, right? It’s, it’s, I’m now do constantly practice this checking in, checking in with my body and checking in, you know, with what, what are my, what’s my actual heart’s desire? Like you said, right? What is my heart’s desire? And honestly, I call it a gift because when we’re running on, we’re running on empty, but when we’re running on auto mode and on empty, what that’s not living, you know? It’s not, it’s not being present.

You cannot possibly be present when you’re on autopilot and you’re running on empty. You just cannot. It can’t, it can’t exist, it can’t co exist. And so this, this checking in with yourself throughout the day and then in finding little ways to nurture yourself, it’s that’s being present, right? Like me making the nut milk. I mean, who knew I would be spending my Saturday nights squeezing nuts out of a bag.

Lindsay

I know. This would be actually a funny reel, just putting it out there. You could add some fun language. Do you have that like nut bag thing? That’s like that special almond cow thing?

Hillary

Yeah. Uh, no, no. I, I have just like a nut, I have a nut bag and I soak my nuts and pour them in, you know, put it in the blender, pour it in, and then I have to squeeze it. And I believe me, I have laughed so many times thinking like, who would have thought that, you know, the old, you know, I used to be like, someone who would like to go to like dance parties in the desert, you know, on a Saturday night. And now, you know, my Saturday night is like squeezing a bag of warm nuts.

Lindsay

Hilarious. And this, this needs to be a saying on some kitchen towel that’s like laying on an oven. I like to squeeze warm nuts. I’ll get that for you. That just needs to be on a towel for you. Just putting that out there. So funny. It’s, it’s, I love that you mentioned that. Cause I’ve gotten so much joy out of doing sourdough lately. Like it’s just because for me, it’s just something that is so small, but I feel so present. And I’m like, oh, this is like a way that I give back to my family because my kids can go through a loaf of bread a day.

But it’s, it brings me back to my softer side because that’s what I’ve been just getting to know ever since I had Atlas really, or my, my, I mean, I guess since becoming a mom, but really in the last two, three years, I feel like that’s the person I’m getting to know. So it’s fun when I get to kind of like lean into this experience that is like more of that tactile and just it’s present and it’s a different flow. So I love it.

Hillary

Yes. And they say, I read a statistic recently where it’s like doing things with your hand that you focus on not being on your phone or anything, but like creating with your hands, whether it’s like making sourdough or knitting or crochet. Yeah. Yeah. It actually, um, increases your serotonin, dopamine, and GABA. It increases your feel good hormones.

Lindsay

Yep. I love it. Oh, that’s so cool. Now I’m very inspired. And I’m writing down the name of the towel, so I don’t forget. Okay. Uh, I, I, I love that. I think this episode is going to be so nurturing for women listening in. And I, this is why I knew I really wanted to have you on as a guest because I just value so much. And just, I think this is just the real, the real conversations people need. They need to feel it’s like very much, I feel like a village, you know? And just wisdom, sharing wisdom, sharing things we’re learning, things we’ve learned. And so I’d love to know, Hillary, how can people continue to connect with you and get to get your insights and your love?

Hillary

Yeah, well, I love making new friends. So the best place is probably the good old Instagram. I’m sure you’ll put it in the show notes, but I’m at Hillary Ha, just my name, Hillary Ha. Yeah, I’m, I’m excited cause I’m going to be offering some fun, new supportive tools for people who are, you know, going through overwhelm or feeling like they may have some adrenal dysfunction, well, who maybe have been diagnosed with Hashimoto’s or thyroid dysfunction. I’m definitely going to be doing some fun things to just kind of help make that shift and really I really want to support other women and mamas, like I said, who may be feeling like they need, they need that support and, you know, want to go down that healing journey. I’m so happy to help with that.

Lindsay

Yeah. Oh, I can’t wait. You know, I’m excited for you with all of that. And it’s just going to be such a blessing to have the insight from someone who’s walked the journey and is able to offer like, you know, with all that you share, just the layers and the process, which I think is just, just a beautiful thing that is meant to happen that we get that experience. So thanks so much, Hillary. I can’t wait for people to hear this and can’t wait to have you on for another, we’ll have another episode and do more deep dives.

Hillary

Thanks, Lynn. But yeah, I look forward to it. Super fun. Super, super fun. Thank you so much.

Lindsay

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