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Hey friends. I’m so excited for the episode today on the podcast. I’m here with Bizzie Gold. She is a friend of mine in real life, and I’m so stoked that she is here to be able to share with you. I know this is going to be just such a cool episode. Bizzie Gold is regarded as one of the top personal development and wellness experts in the world and currently sits on the board of S. I. R. A. Self Injury Recovery Anonymous. In addition to teaching at Clearview Academy, a therapeutic boarding school for teen girls, she is the founder of Break Method, a comprehensive system of structured self inquiry tools, online courses, and in person curricula, created to rapidly rewire the emotional response system and stop systems of behavior that create chaos and relationship friction.

She has been a featured workshop presenter and speaker at some of the most prestigious wellness institutes, including Omega Institute, Kripalu and 1440 Multiversity. Gold has also appeared on the Dr. Oz show, Today, E!, BuzzFeed, and the Huffington Post, among others, to discuss her unique approach to rapid emotional repatterning that has garnered widespread Hollywood and media praise.

Bizzie, you are like one of the coolest people ever, I’m so stoked to have you here. I’m kind of curious. I have to ask before we would get going on this just your experience meeting like Dr. Oz or any of these people. You know, I’m sure that felt really, just so incredible, to get to bring all your experience your passion for health your passion for seeing people achieve the greatest version of themselves just on a more public platform.

They were all, I’ll say, unique experiences. So the Dr. Oz show one was actually pretty funny because I think a lot of female entrepreneurs can probably resonate with this. Often, when I have had opportunities that really opened doors for me in my career, it’s created a lot of tension at home. And at the time of that filming, which was a long time ago, I was with my ex husband and it used to just bring out this like incredible rage anytime something good would happen in my career.

So, as I was leaving, because at the time I lived in Malibu, California, and Dr. Oz is filmed in New York City. So I had to take a flight to New York, and I literally got into a position where everything was to try to make me late and miss my flight. And I got to a point where there’s literally like a standoff in my driveway with him standing in front of the car and I was like, you will move. You will move. I’m going to Dr. Oz. I was, nothing is stopping me.

Um, turned out it did stop me and I did miss my flight, but the people at the show were gracious and they booked me on a last minute red eye. So by the time I got to the show, literally it was like a Hail Mary. They got me on the red eye that literally got me to land and walk onto the show.

Wow.

So like no time for any makeup, nothing. I literally was just, and I’m historically back then I was not a good flier. Uh, I am now, ’cause I’ve had to fly so much that like broke it off of me. But at the time I was like, you know, anxious the entire six hours of the flight and then got there and they’re like, “Welcome! Okay, you’re on in five minutes.” I was like, “Why, Lord, is this happening?: It’s not the way I envisioned going on Dr. Oz. Uh, but the connection was great. I really enjoyed him. He’s a wonderful human being and I ended up actually training his wife, um, at their private home in New Jersey too and doing a couple workouts with her. So it was a pretty great experience.

But I think it’s important for people to just hear that, you know, I think sometimes when you see people getting to do these big, crazy things, it’s like, oh, that must be so cool. I think the reality is a lot of those really cool moments, typically have a lot of negativity surrounding them, too. Like, especially when you’re a mom and you’re pulled in all these different directions, like, you know, having to pick up and leave your babies to go all the way across the country and film something, there’s a lot of inner conflict that comes with it, so, as cool as a lot of those moments are, they’ve also been some of the hardest in my entire career, right? Because just the inner conflict comes up, conflict and relationship dynamics comes up. You know, jealousy from other women that are around you comes up. There’s just, there’s so much there that they’re very loaded moments.

And I would say the parts of my career that bring me the most joy and feel that I’m the most on purpose are never the moments where I’m in the spotlight. It’s when I’m, you know, in my office, bringing some sort of cool idea through and realizing it on my own, right? Because then nobody can kind of attack the idea or the moment. So for anyone that’s listening that, you know, they’re like, oh, those are so cool. Like it’s cool, and I totally, you know, I support women and being able to move forward into those spaces and really like take up space on the stage or in the spotlight, but just be warned. Those moments are often not what they look like they’re going to be from the outside.

I love that you highlighted that because that is the inner conflict that comes up for sure, especially as a mom. And, you know, wanting to preserve your marriage. And I feel like I’ve been there before in different moments at realizing like, “okay, I don’t know if this is worth it”, but it’s definitely like given me the lessons that I needed at that time for sure.

Absolutely.

And I’d love to be able to have our listeners just be able to hear what even got you to the place that you are now because you have such a, I feel like versatile background in the health field. You’ve worn many hats. And you’ve been very involved with physical health and creating Booty Yoga and what a movement that is. And now you’re more into mental health, which, of course, there’s so many facets of that, but how did you even get to that place? And just I’d love to know some of your story.

So it’s an interesting story, as one would imagine. I often say that I’m the most unlikely candidate to ever have become a celebrity trainer, and it actually makes me laugh because at my core, I, I don’t like working out .Like I genuinely people that are like, “oh, yeah, the gym”, I am not that person. I’m just not that person, which is, you know, I think it’s part of what makes Booty so unique is that Booty is really a celebration of movement that makes you feel like you’re not working out, which is, I think, why I love it so much. And even at different points in my life when I’ve tried to do other things, I always go back to Booty because there’s just nothing that gives you the full mind body experience while also getting all of the, you know, T’s crossed and I’s dotted, right? Like, you’re burning the calories, you’re building the muscles, you’re gaining the flexibility.

But to me, it’s more an emotional transformation experience. When I step on the mat for a Booty class, it doesn’t matter what is happening in my world, internally or externally. That all melts away for 60 to 75 minutes. And on the other side, I genuinely feel like a new person. So to me, there’s never been a workout that makes me feel that way, other than Booty. So I definitely never had an intention in my life of becoming a celebrity trainer. The fact that I did become a celebrity trainer, again, it makes me giggle. Just because it was not only not my intent, but it’s also just not my personality. I’m like, not the fitness chick. Um, I’m, I’m not the gym rat. I’m not the person that, you know, step by step tried to build this career of being a celebrity trainer.

It really happened completely by happenstance one day when Julia Roberts called me on my cell phone and I ended up training her privately for a very long time. So, because of that, and because of I do have business savvy and early in my career, I was in the business space and I think more so than fitness, my life was on track in both the business and public relations area, but also in the mental health area. Early on in my career, uh, I was trained as a hypnotherapist and was practicing daily in that when I was very young. And that was, that was my focus. That was my goal. And I, at the time, was practicing a very woo version of, uh, hypnotherapy called past life regression therapy, which I’ve got lots of thoughts on now.

But at the time, what ended up happening was that, you know, I was so young. I think I was 19 when I originally got trained. And some people I think just have a gifting and an anointing where it doesn’t matter what their age is, no matter what they do, all of a sudden, this depth of a career just kind of like bursts out. And sometimes based on your age, you’re not necessarily ready for that. And I went into this three year period of right out of the starting gate, like client number one, having this deep, really profound experience where they went back and started speaking in all these languages that there’s no way they could have known. And then it was just like client after client after client with all these really intense, metaphysical wild experiences that were so mind bending that it was like, like, how do I, how do I hold this? I felt like I was too young and too immature emotionally to hold the depth that was coming through in my sessions.

So after a few years, I really just short circuited. I didn’t know how to, I didn’t know how to not hold everybody else’s trauma. So for three years, it just felt like people would come into my office and do their session and they would leave completely transformed, but I would be left basically holding all of the trauma that they just processed for that whole time. And that led me to a point where I got diagnosed with lupus when I was 23, which I know we’ll, we’ll circle back on. But I think that ultimately is what led me to movement. I had to, to heal from that. I had to start moving again. I was spending so much time seeing clients, focused more on the analytical part of my brain that was helping clients move through these traumas that after a while, I just, I had lost, I had lost this cadence of movement in my life that I had had previously.

And it just so happens that, you know, the world that I stepped into with movement movement eventually ended up giving birth to Booty, but it was just never, it was never my intention. It wasn’t my, it wasn’t my driving motivation by a long shot. And when I went into this path of, you know, being confronted with a lupus diagnosis and my whole body was shutting down. They, for a time, thought that I had lymphoma. They were running all these tests and I was having random muscle spasms and all of my lymph nodes were so swollen that you could actually see on my back all the, it was like, looked like little bubbles.

So, everything was just shutting down. I was swollen, I was covered in a rash that was somewhere in between shingles and chicken pox and I don’t know, like the worst heat rash you’ve ever had. It wasn’t everywhere bilaterally, but it was like everywhere on one side. So it was like, whatever it was just kept kind of crossing midline. So it was like the side of my neck, the side of my face on the other side, the side of my rib cage, like down my spine. And it was just, I was so at war inside of my own body that I just could not function. And it felt like anything I ate would just make it worse. Even if it was, you know, seemingly on the outside a healthy food at the time. I was living on an organic permaculture farm. Like for all intents and purposes, I was eating probably the cleanest I’d ever eaten and yet my body was just having this massive inflammation response.

So, by the time that got diagnosed and I was faced with a Western medical doctor saying, hey, you know, you’ve got to get on this medication and that medication. We’ve got to put you on steroids. I just remember this feeling inside of me where I just looked at him and I was like, there’s literally got to be another way. He’s like, there’s no way. I was like, I don’t believe you. There is another way. Sorry, but this is going to be a no for me. And I went on this mission to find a doctor that would help me. And at the time I was living in Hawaii on the big island and I found this amazing doctor. I don’t know if he’s still alive, but his name was Dr. Alan Thal.

And he was this like, hippie, grateful dude, probably pot smoking dude that had retired up in Hoppy. And literally in like, five sessions, my life was forever changed. And even the concepts that he shared with me at the time, like, he was just so ahead of his time that when I heard them, everything in my body, because I do believe that the body is built to be a human lie detector, it just as soon as I heard it my body was like, yes, this is the truth. It was the exact opposite feeling that I’d had when I was sitting across the Western doctor. He was like, you’ve got to be on this medication, that medication, with just everything about it was like no, this isn’t true.

So I embarked on this very intense very intentionally restrictive short term nutrition protocol, started doing chelation therapy and just changed so many things about how I was living my life. And it changed me in a matter of 10 days. Like I went from clearly I’m gonna die to in 10 days being like, oh, wait, what?

Wow.

And then it was very clear at that point that I just had to kind of maintain it. It was like I had been given this gift of having my health back, and now it was like, now you just have to maintain this new homeostasis. And I felt like he gave me all the tools to do that. My heavy metals and everything were obviously off the charts and I had had a lot of health issues when I was young. So I think my parents just pretty much had me on antibiotics like the majority of my childhood, which, you know, I’m pleased to know.

Relatable

For kids that I have kids can relate to that. Right? Like, what were they thinking? You literally, I mean, in my dad, bless him, is still like this. Like, he’ll have a cough and he’s like, I’m going to get a Z pack. Dad, please stop. Don’t do that. You don’t need a Z pack for a cough. So no doubt being on antibiotics that long absolutely played a role. Also, my sister started to have some autoimmune issues pop up around the same time and I started to do some digging and obviously, our parents vaccinated us. And I did trace some of what we were experiencing back to a hot lot of vaccines that was given and actually notated in our specific area.

So there definitely was a hot lot that a lot of people were reporting to the, I don’t even know how you say it. V. A. E. R. S.

Oh, yeah. VAERS. VAERS.

Um, a lot of people were reporting in that particular area of these symptom patterns. So there definitely was a hot lot of vaccines certainly playing a role. I believe that when, when autoimmune issues like this pop up, it’s always coming from multiple factors. I don’t think there’s, you know, there’s definitely a bullet in the gun. Then someone has to pull the gun and then someone has to have the right aim with the gun. Like there’s so many things that have to happen as a perfect storm. And I think most autoimmune issues are a perfect storm. But I would say for me, God definitely used that perfect storm in my life to reorient my course.

And I think, you know, I look back at a lot of the more traumatizing moments in my adulthood, that in the moment, it felt like, God, why would you do this to me? What’s happening? And then if I look back, it really was just, a course correction that I couldn’t see in the moment. But God has this beautiful way of just kind of sometimes gently sometimes not gentle. I’ve had a lot of course corrections that were not gentle, but they shift things just enough or shut down a roadway that looked like it was going to be the right path. So I think sometimes when we experience these really hard moments in our life. It’s like the path that we were going would have been easy, right?

It would have been something that, you know, you can see yourself doing and it just, it felt like it was calling to you. But if that road was not going to lead ultimately to what your bigger purpose is, even though the trauma can feel awful in the moment, sometimes God needs to literally close that road so that it’s just not an option for you. Because some of us, I know myself, I’m very stubborn. If part of me wants to do something, I’m going to get it done, even if it’s to my detriment. And I think sometimes God will bring hardship to like, hold us back from ourselves if we’re really just like steamrolling in one direction.

And at that time in my life, I was totally doing that where I was just like, whatever I put my mind to, I’m going to do it and I’m going to do it well, which I think it does pose a problem when you’re trying to walk spiritually, right? If God is trying to lead you to something, what if what you want is not ultimately the bigger picture of what God has designed for you? You can, you can basically will your way into your own destruction if you’re not careful. And I know I’ve certainly done that in my life.

Yeah, I was just taking notes. Like, so many of the things that you said resonated. One, um, the course correction. I mean, I really feel like that is what disease is. Like, disease, you’re not in alignment with where you’re supposed to be in life. And it’s really one of the most beautiful clues and course correction, like you said, of just like, okay, where, where are you meant to be and how can you connect with yourself in that way and connect with what your purpose is?

And also with what you were saying with your journey going through lupus. So I had had a Tdap injury. Uh, this was when I was in my master’s program as a nurse practitioner before I got pregnant with my oldest son. And I could just relate so much with being told, well, you have fibromyalgia. I mean, I was a marathon runner. And then I’m told two months after this that I fibromyalgia, put on… Lyrica and I never filled that script because I said absolutely you are not going to like give me this diagnosis. Or like say this over my life and it was just the beginning of my understanding of my own intuition and my own power and radical responsibility like you’ve shared, with my health.

It was just this awareness of I’m no longer going to be sitting back and just accepting what you have to say. And thank god I never took it. It’s like a category, I think it’s like a C or D in pregnancy and I was actually pregnant at the time, didn’t know. And so it’s just a reminder to myself of just, you know, honing in on that inner knowing and, uh, really understanding the, like you said, you know, the body wants to heal and be well, but we’ll get these clues. And also something you mentioned just about how you were doing all the right things. Like you were doing this really great diet. You’re living in Hawaii, you know, it’s not like you’re just like smoking on a corner and, you know.

There’ve been times that I’ve had that part of my, like living life that way. And I felt great.

So yeah, yeah. Right. Definitely a good harmony there, but it’s just like you mentioned you were doing all the right things, but there was that inner turmoil. And I think what, you know, a lot of people don’t realize or, you know, they’re, they feel like they’re going through all the motions and I’m doing all the right things and I’m buying all the right things and I’m keeping up with the list and everything.

And then they still don’t feel any better and it’s like, well, you know, how are you able to look in and be able to see your patterns and your stories? And all these things like driving your day to day that are not resonating when it comes to health. And so one thing that I just love about you and something that you speak to that I don’t really see much of in the holistic health or root cause or natural health community, is you’re really attuned to spiritual giftings and really connecting to, you know, I think something that really has always resonated, especially in the last few months with what I’ve seen you talk about and share, is just really honoring the gifts that God has given you and showing up in those things.

And I think a lot of people are very scared to do that. They don’t recognize that that is part of our purpose and journey being here on earth. And part of what is so supportive of our health too. So I’d love to know, like, how did you get to that place? I know prophetic is something that is a gifting of yours, too. Like, how did you start discovering that?

So, I’ll give you a whole little dive on that journey. But before we jump in, I think it’s important for everybody to remind themselves that a gift can also be used as a weapon. So, just like, for example, you can use a fork to spiral up your spaghetti and eat a good meal. Hypothetically, you could also jam your fork into somebody’s carotid artery and kill them, right? Like a fork is a fork. You can use it for good, you can use it for bad. Often what happens is our gifts end up being weaponized against us and creating destruction or disease in our own life. And I think this is one of the biggest misses.

And I just wanna applaud you and your parenting, ’cause I know that you’re doing a great job of nurturing this. We don’t help our kids understand their innate gifting, so they become either afraid of their gift, or they turn on their gift, and that’s exactly what sets the stage for them to be weaponized against the child.

So, I just, again, like, your kids are all delightful, and I’ve had, you know, the honor of being able to have Jason in our home, and… They’re just so cool. So you’re doing a really good job with that. And I just feel like your kids really embrace who they are authentically and they’re just, they’re really standout kids.

I loved the other day at the farmer’s market when, I don’t know if you saw this, Harrison saw my daughter Harleen. He goes, oh yeah.

Oh yeah, yeah. He is such a personality.

Oh my gosh, they’re so cute. Um, but yeah, I just think this idea of like nurturing, gifting in the early years is so important so that they learn to understand it and harness the power and use the power for good. Because the the power can certainly be used for harm outside of themselves, right? Like extrinsically, you can use your gifting to do harm in other people’s lives. Or that gift can then turn on you. And I think there’s a lot of evidence to suggest that autoimmune issues as a whole tend to affect highly gifted people or, you know, the highly sensitive sort of subset. Because you have essentially this sensitivity to, let’s say, realms or dimensions that go beyond what we can see physically.

So where other people are getting… physically injured or experiencing more physical symptoms, you have all these additional layers to which you can be receiving injury, right? Because you’re actually open to other, other layers of existence. So essentially, if you’re that sensitive, you can actually start to have a lot of disease pop up very early just by way of being open and not knowing how to either close that off or contain that which you were given.

So I know for me, when I was a little kid, my parents were not at all supportive of my gifting, except my dad definitely used it as a sideshow act. He used to jokingly refer to me as the Oracle. He’d be like, ask her anything. Somehow she knows the answer, even if she’s never read it in a book, which that brings us to the book thing, which we’ll go back to, but, um.

So it was kind of like this sideshow act, but then they wouldn’t, they weren’t nurturing of it. I think they were both deeply afraid of it because certain things that I would do or say had enough physical evidence that they were like, whoa, like something’s going on with my kid. And I don’t know what it is. So I’m just going to sidestep it and avoid it. And so my gifting has definitely been on from a very early age. And one of my most early memories of it was sitting. Um, we, I grew up in Connecticut, which I think you did too.

So, yeah. Oh yeah. I forgot about this.

Yeah. So I grew up, we have a lot in common. So I grew up in Connecticut and we, my parents, my mom particularly always loved living in very antique houses. So our house, we had this gigantic like estate, but the house was built in like 1670 something, right. And it was an old governor’s mansion. So it was like a old British governor’s mansion with all the really wide floorboards. And it was just a wild house. But as you can imagine, there’s a lot of dark energy in said house, right?

Like that is, of any of the problems with antique houses, it’s really that. And just think about how many generations of people have lived in that house, right? So for a person like myself, that was absolutely a nightmarish upbringing, right? Like I was an insomniac virtually my entire childhood because I would just be plagued with everything I could see all night long. So this one day we had a window seat in our kitchen, right? So, like, kind of, it, like, juts out into the window and you can kind of sit there and then the table’s out in front. And I don’t remember what holiday it was, but we had a bunch of people over and everyone was posing for a family picture in the window.

And you know, back then this is where you had like the flash cameras, like a physical camera with a flash. And my mom was very into her photo albums. I don’t know if anyone else’s was, but like there was a whole area in the living room where you could actually go to photo albums that were all by year or by like holiday. She was very nostalgic. So in this picture, right, she’s taking it and they had put me near the window and it was dark outside and in the picture, I’m screaming, trying to get away from this 1 part of the window. And I’m pointing because I kept telling my dad dad, there’s a man in the window. There’s a man in the window.

And he was just like, just shut up and get in the picture. You know, so in the picture, I’m like, trying to thrust my body this way, and I’m pointing and everyone’s smiling for the picture, and it was such that somehow, wow.

Awkward family photo so awkward. So incredibly awkward.

So it was such that somehow the flash off the window somehow captured this guy’s face in the window. And I’ll never forget my mom kept this photo in the photo album, but she flipped it backwards because it freaked her out to look at it, but it’s like she also wanted to keep the evidence. So she kept it in the photo album, but like flipped it backwards behind a different picture, and I always used to go back there and grab and I’d taunt her.

I’m like, remember this and she’d be like, I remember I’m not crazy. And this one day, my mom, definitely has been struggling with addiction most of my life. And I don’t, for anyone that has parents with addiction, sometimes when they’re really like in that deep, dark state, definitely a lot of their demons can come out. And this one day, this was not too many years ago, I was still living in Arizona and somehow we got on this conversation and my mom just like very casually, although clearly like it wasn’t even her. It was whatever takes over you when you’re really deep in your addiction. It was just like, from the second you were born, I knew that you were different, and you scared the hell out of me, and I just, like, could never connect with you. And I was like, okay, good, because that’s how it felt for me, too, as your daughter.

Wait, when did she tell you this?

This was maybe, like, five or six years ago.

Okay, okay, yeah.

And I was like, well, you know, it, like, was it, it was intended to be mean, and it was. But at the same time, there was some part of it that almost was freeing, because I was like, that is actually, like, it is the truth. And that doesn’t mean she doesn’t love me. I just, I do understand that she never, she never knew how to connect with me. And I understand why. I was a social kid that got along with everybody and all that. But I also, I was a weirdo. Like, what was happening with me, with my gifting, you couldn’t really explain.

And if my mom had had some religious trauma too, from being raised Jehovah’s Witness, and I think it is just too confronting. So I think that’s really where it kind of circles back to this idea of like, nurture this in your kids, have conversations about it. Help them understand spirituality, you know, that’s going to be different for every single person, but give them a place to explore and ask questions without shutting them down. And for what it’s worth, it’s okay to be like, you know, I don’t know the answer to that question. Like, let’s go digging in on that question together. But getting defensive and shutting something down because it’s reached an area that you don’t feel like you’re an expert anymore, or that you were traumatized. You’re setting your kid up for a failure in that regard, because kids come in very open, very in tune. And often those early childhood traumas that they experience do center around feeling like they’re somehow, their sense of reality is invalidated or what they’re seeing is somehow pushed down or they’re made to feel stupid by it.

And then what happens is because you’re parenting that way, they often lead themselves to believe that maybe they’re crazy and that’s certainly not the way you want to kick this whole journey on earth off, right? To make a kid start to go into some sort of deep self trust wound, that’s not ideal. And that’s then how the gifting gets used against you is that the kid starts to kind of question like, well, maybe I’m, maybe I’m crazy. Maybe this isn’t really happening. Then boom, all of that kind of God given ability can now get weaponized against the child. And I think, you know, to some extent, obviously throw vaccine injury and heavy metal poisoning and nutritional issues and all that in the mix. I think that’s part of why we just see these unbelievably high autism spectrum rates and ADHD and by quote, like, you name it, all the things I love that you have a spiritual component.

Yeah, just I think what I’ve noticed, especially with kids and working for years with kids that are considered on the spectrum and ADHD is that, you know, there is such a big focus on the physical, but not on those emotional, generational and spiritual components and how much our own shit, in a sense, you know, is just projected onto the child, and then they’re not able to actually show up in their authentic space, you know. Like actually when I started really learning more with human design, and I was just really looking to better understand my middle child’s personality because he’s so different from my other kids.

And I realized, like, I need to nurture this in a different way because he reacts and responds in a different way. And for so long, you know, I just recognized, and this was a learning curve for me, how I was controlling and disciplining based off of my own needs and my own personality. And when I started to shift that, which I’m always learning, but that’s when it actually, I felt like he was flourishing more, you know. And it just really speaks to where we see, like, I think kids with, diagnosed with ADHD and autism and put on a whole spectrum of these meds and it’s like how much of this is just a really controlling or just families like projecting their own stuff?

I see it all the time and I get to work with kids and teens a lot and it’s very common that a parent comes to us and says, you know, my kid is this, my kid is that, they need help. I don’t know what to do. And the reality is there is not one of those parents that doesn’t need a mirror placed in front of their face. It’s not, yes, their kid is exhibiting the behavior, but that behavior is an output of an input you gave them. And to try to get around the personal responsibility of that is one of the biggest misses.

So, as an example, you know, sending your kid to therapy to talk about their problems without that therapist demanding that the whole family system be addressed, it’s just a huge miss in the mental health sector. For us, we we just won’t do it because the child’s presentation is a byproduct of their family system and you can’t separate them out. You have to understand every role each person is playing in the output of whatever their pattern is that’s giving them a diagnosis. I think also there’s a lot and this is one of the more frustrating things that I think I’ve run into over the past few years is that a lot of people seem to be using genetics now as an excuse for why something just is. And they stop pursuing healing. And I like this idea, and I’m, you know, I only stumbled upon this because somebody tried to sort of fight with me on social media, and were like, you need to look at the work of Dr. Daniel Amen. And I was like, okay, I don’t, I don’t, I doubt that we’re too far off on this, but sure, I’ll take a look. So I took a look and whatever this person was saying, like he actually was saying the exact opposite. So I’m not sure what the disconnect is, but he was saying exactly what I was saying, which is that genetics is like bullets in a gun, but you still need someone or something to pull the trigger.

Like genetics aren’t the trigger. They’re not the causation. There’s something else that causes this bullet to be unleashed from the gun. So I, a lot of the work that we do in Break Method is understanding the generational component to this, because we know, you know, both from a mental health perspective, but also even like from a biblical perspective that patterns of behavior alter your genetic code.

So patterns of repetitious behavior in a family line will actually change the way your genes are expressing epigenetically. So, whatever is prevalent in your family behaviorally or, you know, in terms of, like, sexually deviant behavior or, like, molestation or abuse, that actually starts to get encoded in your D. N. A. So the way you’re parented creates an output in the way you’re doing things, and often people tend to do either the same thing, right? They repeat it to some extent, either consciously or subconsciously, or they try so hard to go in the opposite direction, but then accidentally marry somebody that brings in that same behavior set.

Those are kind of the two most common things. So then what happens is that behavior that then the child is experiencing again pulls the trigger of the genetics. So, it’s not that the genetic code itself is what’s doing it. They had a predisposition to maybe expressing ADHD symptoms, but that doesn’t mean that the genetics itself caused the ADHD. The parental environment for the child is what pulls said trigger and then predisposes the kid to then repeat, repeat, repeat. Right? And then we can see where things like “my family’s just like this”. It’s a true statement, but it’s not true. And that it has to be this way. It’s just your family just does this. This doesn’t mean that you have to do this any longer.

So I think for a lot of people, this idea really triggers people that. You can actually reverse an ADHD diagnosis through behavior strategy, which we do in Break Method all the time. Because very specific sequential behavior modification, in terms of a pattern opposition, will rewire the brain over a set period of time, and you will stop expressing ADHD. Because ultimately, ADHD is a trauma response to your childhood environment, and now you just do it repetitiously in your world. So, when I see different doctors and things on Instagram, really, like, almost… Embracing and making a joke out of this ADHD diagnosis and like radically owning it, like, I’m just ADHD and like glorifying it through their social media posts.

Such a big pet peeve of mine.

Yes, keep going. It upsets me so much. Like, I don’t know how many, there’s one person in particular. That’s got a huge account. Well, actually, no, that’s not true. There’s two in particular that have really large accounts that to me, if you were to really just take a step back, clear yourself and you were to go in and watch both their content, both of them are glorifying mental illness in such a way that it helps you understand how we’ve gotten ourselves into this. Like, we have a global pandemic of mental health issues like we don’t know we don’t have a pandemic of COVID. We’ve got a global planned pandemic of mental health issues.

And I feel like influencers like that, they empower people to stay stuck because they glorify it. And they’re like, this is just who I am right, radically own this, this is who you are. It’s your personality. No, it’s not. It’s your pattern behavior. It’s what comes naturally, but it’s not the only thing you’re able to do. It’s just what your brain knows how to do with ease, where it’s automatic. That doesn’t mean that it’s what you should be doing. And it doesn’t mean that you can’t heal. I, that is, I think if I were to hierarchy of things that irk me, is this idea somehow that we’ve lost touch with believing we’re capable of healing, right? Everything’s about coping and normalizing.

That is the scariest place I think to be societally because that’s a lie. And it’s a really damaging lie to believe. And it will keep all of us forever in mental and physical chains on this planet. And that’s not where I want to see us going.

Totally. And exactly what you said about the pandemic really being a mental health issue is a thousand percent something that I say as well. And I’m in total agreement on because I just, and that has been one of my big pet peeves over the last few years is just seeing this acceptance and this identification with ADHD and ADD. And it’s just almost like, you know, I just don’t like the normalizing of it and the identifying with it. And so I know you mentioned a bit busy about the Break Method and I’d love for you to just highlight a bit more of what you do with that. I know that’s a big way that people can connect with your work. So I’d love to know any upcoming events you have for that, or just things that people can look forward to. How can they plug in with that?

So Break Method is offered online for individuals, couples, families, and children. So you have the option of doing it either for yourself, with a spouse, or your whole family. When we work with children, we do ask that at least one parent participates. Ideally having all parents enrolled is important, but, you know, we can get around having, for example, a mom do it, but the dad just kind of do some of the work and at least the initial brain pattern assessment. But we do like to work holistically, because as I said, a child’s issues are absolutely not a standalone issue.

You can’t actually address the child’s issues without addressing the at home environment, the consistency, what sorts of… Uh, what sorts of behaviors are put up on a pedestal, what things are disciplined, and so on. So, our Break Method is conducted online. It is a set series of appointments and a very specific structure of video lessons that you do. The structure of it is what makes it so sustainable. People, when they’re operating in their pattern, anything that will actually hold the keys to their freedom, their brain will actually push back against and trick them into believing they don’t like that or they don’t want that, and they’ll want to find a way to work around it.

So in traditional talk therapy, where you’re kind of able to guide the trajectory of your sessions with your wants and your needs and your feelings and your story. Break Method won’t allow you to do that. There is a very specific sequence to it, and you can’t get around something, you can’t get over something, and Break Method is built to outsmart your innate self deception. So ways that we don’t think we’re lying to ourselves, but we ultimately are lying to ourselves. It uncovers all of that data in a way that you tell the truth by accident, and then you’re able to actually use that information for your good.

So, the process of it feels a bit like agreeing to be a rat put in a maze and have different kind of stimuli moved around so that you can observe how this brain pattern essentially operates like a virus on the mainframe of your brain. And masks itself as you and knows your likes and dislikes and can essentially use those as weapons against you to keep repeating cycles that you know not to repeat. So this is why a lot of clients that come to us, it’s like, I know I have issues and I know I don’t want to do this. And yet somehow subconsciously, I keep doing this over and over again.

Yes, right. So you can’t actually find those cause and effect relationships without willingly putting yourself into a system that will force you to confront them. Because if you’re again, if you’re in control of your own emotional healing, you will not confront them and you won’t even realize that you’re not confronting them. Your brain will find such clever ways to work around them that you’ll just then forever wonder why you’re not healing, right? We just call that like a healing loop where it’s like you’re in pursuit of something, but you never quite land the plane. Break Method always lands the plane.

So we have a 98 percent completion rate and we have a 93 percent organic referral rate. So that means that 93 percent of people, when they finish, they bring us more people, right? That’s basically how our business has existed all these years. And we’ve had phases of this work where I’ve had the grandma, the dad, the mom, the cousin, the co workers, like all at the same time. Where it’s like I’ll have a whole area of geographic region all taking Break at the same time. Because when that person that everyone in that family system was like, oh, that person will never change. All of a sudden, when they’re able to emotionally self regulate and they’re not actually being the overly dramatic or controlling person that’s always creating conflict, when they’re all of a sudden healed, everyone around them is like, if you could heal that person, I’m signing up, because that person was a lost cause.

So we often are the ones that help that lost cause completely turn things around, and then because that is walking, talking evidence, we end up getting everybody else in the family. So that program, you can sign up and start any time it takes about 16 to 20 weeks to complete. I like to look at Break as a slinky. Part of the reason that it is so effective and efficient is that you can’t change the order. You can’t change the structure, but we can kind of condense it or lengthen it according to how well you learn. Right? So there is a lot of work involved in it.

So if somebody needs a slightly slower pace, you can take it out to 30 weeks. Um, if somebody really is on their game, they can definitely get it done in 16 weeks. So it really is up to how fast a pace you want to keep. With Break Method, we offer a ton of support. So everyone that takes the program has both a client support specialist and a behavior strategist. So you’ve got two people consistently on your team. So every week, you’ve got multiple check ins. You can check in as much as you want. You have as much support as you want, but you also can kind of back down on that and also just do your behavior strategy session. So that part’s up to you.

And then we also train and certify therapists. So anyone that is in the medical field. We’ve had a lot of MDSs, a lot of naturopaths, mental health nurse practitioners.

Oh, I love this part. Cool.

Um, tons of therapists, lots of social workers, so anything in kind of the medical or paramedical sphere, as long as it’s a credentialed position, you’re eligible to take our accredited certification program. So that we have an upcoming date that starts in November. So that training, it takes about four months to complete all of the live and online portion. And then the graduation for that group will be in January. Everything’s held at our headquarters here in Sandpoint.

It’s definitely a rigorous program. A lot of people that are like, Oh, cool. I’ll take like a two day certification. That’s not it at all. So if you want to jump into this, like a quick two day certificate, you can throw up on your wall. It’s a very time intensive and mentally intensive program. But what I think we solve for a lot of therapists is a lot of therapists are they’re trapped in a system that they’re in some way an internal conflict with, right? They know they’re not serving people the way that they could be, but they’re also to some degree primed to keep doing it the way that they’re doing it. They’re not set up for success business-wise. They’re often not taught how to market. They don’t know how to really hone in on a niche community, and a lot of people are just indebted to working for group practices where they’re really not in control of anything and they’re just trading their time for dollars.

So we also help our trained, uh, therapists set up their practice and we build out all of their lead generation systems and build their whole marketing funnel for them because we ultimately want them to not just have financial freedom, but have freedom to actually do things the way they could be done rather than the way the system tells you they need to be done. So, in a lot of ways, a lot of the therapists that come get trained by us, they often end up integrating Break into the practice that they’re currently in, and then many of them go on to eventually open up another practice that is a little bit more centric to the online space that allows them to scale without purely trading time for dollars.

So that’s all included in that part of the training. And then we also have a live event coming up in October. We do them twice a year. These are open to all people, so you don’t have to be enrolled in the program. And we bring in a lot of just big picture thinkers from all over the world to just, kind of blow our minds with different macro level concepts of what’s really going on in our world. Why are we here and how do we affect the most change. Our upcoming speakers for that one in October or Simon Essler, Dr. Laura Sanger, uh, Tracy Martin, who’s awesome. If you guys ever get to follow her on Instagram and then also The Truthful Therapist. So we’ve got a lot of great guests coming for that one and tickets are also on our website there.

Oh, that’s so exciting. I like made a note for the October event. I love live events.

You’ll love it. It’ll be fun.

And when this podcast goes live, it’ll be I think earlier September. So it’ll be great to just keep in mind and you know what you were sharing with just the brain retraining, you know, that was such a huge part. Now, I, I haven’t personally done Break Method. I, I’ve seen people who have done it and gotten to hear their, their testimonies. And I also have really seen that powerful shift of incorporating brain retraining in my own health and life. Like I literally felt like I was doing all the things to heal from Lyme and mold toxicity. And it wasn’t until I started doing that work that I started to see symptoms shift and so it just, I’ve could have saved a lot of time and a lot of money and I’m sure you you feel similarly, you know, this is just the foundational work.

Once you actually are are doing that is when you can actually start building. You have to start really working on the subconscious patterns and then building up from there. And so yeah, that just resonates so much and I would love to know, Bizzie, well, I did want to circle back on this quick. Because you had shared like, you know one of your things is that you don’t really, because I always like to ask people what are you reading? Like what’s like resonating with you right now? And you’re like, I’m not. So I want to know why that is?

So this has been kind of it’s like an ongoing both joke, but also principle for me. It’s one of the ways that I have trust fallen with God my whole life. So I call it intentional ignorance. Okay, so Break Method I can sit here and take a polygraph and say I know Break Method came from a divine place because I’ve never read a book, I’ve never had a teacher. There’s no reason that I should know any of the things that I know to have built this very, very deep program that now has actually been invested in by outside companies because it’s actually, they, they look at it as this is a data analytics approach to mental health.

So there’s no way that it could exist if not by, by God, right? I just happen to be the person that ended up caretaking it and bringing it. It’s not me. I don’t look at it as my creation personally. But if I had been somebody to go reading books and things like that, how, like, how would I know that I’d just be basically regurgitating information that I knew and maybe repackaging it or repurposing it? So I feel like God instilled that in me very early on, and it’s something that throughout my career, even as I’ve counseled other female entrepreneurs. I feel like people are so hungry to consume or understand what their competitors are doing and then you accidentally put yourself in a position where, you know, maybe it’s borrowing, maybe it’s copying. Do you know the line of what you’re authentically doing versus what they’re authentically doing?

For me, I get to put my head on the bed and sleep at night very peacefully because I know I’ve never taken from anybody. I’ve never stolen. I’ve never copied. It would be physically impossible for me. All the ideas that come through and things that I’m conceptualizing, they come from an origin source, right? It’s not, there’s no corruption coming from something else. So for me, I know that it just helps create this purification process in the work that I’m bringing through and it helps me sleep better at night. So it’s not that other people don’t have amazing things to offer. They absolutely do. And for the integrity of myself and your work, I don’t want to accidentally borrow from it, right? So it’s not that other people don’t have beautiful things to offer. They absolutely do. I just know that God’s had me in this very specific space, my whole life of intentional tunnel vision, where I’m able to hear more clearly and authentically if I’m not filling myself with other words and information.

And I think this kind of stands as a, maybe a pattern disrupt for how we think education is supposed to happen. I think this is one of the biggest problems with a more indoctrinating sort of education system is that it’s like we don’t believe that people are capable of just knowing and I think that is a huge miss. People do just know and we don’t nurture kids’ gifting properly. And even just the health of their physical vessel, to be able to receive that information, right? We just keep putting information in and we program them to think a certain sequential way. And I think that actually it creates cognitive entrenchment where it just like you get stuck in this way of thinking and you can’t see your way out of it.

I have a lot of cognitive and paradigmatic flexibility because I don’t put in any sort of limiting structures. So, I encourage people to try it out. I, you know, it’s not, I don’t mean to sound like an ignorant a hole that’s like, don’t read books, like, read, totally read, read books. Um, it just, for me, I know that the amount of information that I’m able to get kind of transferred, like, I’m definitely not, like, for, I’m not in lack of information. I’m, if anything, I’m like overwhelmed most of the time with information and things that I’m processing. I don’t, I just don’t need to reach outside of myself at this point in my life. Um, to be putting things together. That may change, but up to this point, it’s just, it is what it is.

Yeah, you know, this reminds me of the quote that the ultimate healer guides you to heal yourself, right? Because, you know, like, at the end of the day, my job is never to keep somebody keeping on seeing me forever, you know, like, I want people to have an understanding where they’re connected to their own knowing and their own knowledge because I’m no different than they are. You know, I think that’s always, you know, I have my masters and you know, people it’s blessing and a curse, you know, like I’m put on this pedestal because I have my, my NP. What I’m grateful for from that is that I want to direct people back to themselves, you know, where it’s like, sure. Yeah, I have the medical degree, but truly I’m no different than you. I just happened to have a pharmaceutical funded education that told me what to believe. You know what I mean?

Like ultimately, I decided I wanted to get into a health career because I love seeing people heal. And I love seeing people be well, and that’s not anything that can be defined by a textbook. That’s from actually living, and your own experience, and like you said, just really having that tunnel vision of connecting to your own gifts and your own abilities, because you know, I think that’s where, you know, you could be given all the lists of all the biohacks and all this stuff, but ultimately you hold the key.

And I love that that’s so much the focus of your work. And, um, you know, so much of what I try to help clients with as well as just understanding, you know, like you hold the key, you know, it’s definitely strengthening that muscle. Because, you know, literally we come into this world. We’re like that’s castrated, you know, or it’s just like, you know, we’re literally from the day you’re born you are told like something’s wrong with you and you don’t have what you need and so it’s like…

Trust the guy in the white lab coat.

Yeah. Yeah, it’s a generational thing.

So the last question that I love to ask every single guest and it’s just so fun and so rad and I am looking forward to your response. I know you had sent me over a couple words here, but I’d love to know busy What are three words that health and healing mean to you right now?

These are probably not the same words that I wrote, but what’s definitely coming to mind right now is number one freedom, right? If you, when you are physically unwell, all you can really think about are limitations and restrictions, right? If I think back to the times that I was the least healthy in my life, I was anytime there was something that I wanted to do, right after that was a thought about some sort of limitation that came from what physically was happening in my body.

So freedom definitely first and foremost. And then for me also this idea of like a fuel or currency, right? When we’re healthy and we have vitality, it’s like we have this consistently replenishing fuel source to go out there and be doers. And I am absolutely a doer when I can’t be out there doing again, I just feel this like sense of being physically trapped. So to me, that idea that health is really like a fuel or currency that can just keep giving you access to things that you want to be doing. That’s definitely a key one for me.

And I think for me, also, this definitely wasn’t on there, but I think I have this sense of, pride’s not the right word, but more like, when I think about it, it’s like, I know how hard I worked for it, so there’s like a reverence for it. Like I know it’s not an easy thing to get, and that health and vitality can be fleeting if you don’t understand how to capture them, but I do feel this like reverence for that idea that, man, it’s been, you know, I’m 38, so it’s been like 15 years of doing everything I can to try to harness that in some way.

And there have certainly been moments that I’ve done really well. And then there have been some other moments where it’s kind of felt like it’s starting to fall apart. I’m definitely coming off the heels of one of those after having two back to back babies where I just, like, I lost, I don’t even remember where I lost it, but somehow I lost it. So I’m actually starting to feel like I’m getting it back over the last few weeks.

And it’s just, it’s like you, it’s like to me looking at waves. I personally, I love being in the water, but waves really freak me out. And it’s not that I don’t think they’re beautiful, but it’s like I understand the power that they have to just completely crush you. So there’s this deep reverence for this idea of health and vitality and how hard it can be to get it and how hard it can be to keep it. So I think I’m just grateful to be in a space now where I, I have the ability to do the things that I want to do and I’m just grateful for it.

I love that so much. And the waves analogy just resonated so much and took me right to the beach. I was ready for it. Well, perfect, bizzie. I am so glad that we got to chat today and I had just so many chills throughout this episode. And I just appreciate what you are bringing forward which I know you were always highlighting that you’re just a vessel and a conduit of just bringing forward, being able to serve others. And I just you know, respect you so much not just as a leader in an entrepreneur, but also getting to see you as a mom and a friend.

And so I appreciate it all the ways and all the hats that you wear and how you show up really, I feel like very fully in life. And so I appreciate you and thank you so much for coming on today.

Of course. Thanks for having me. Let’s do it again soon.

Perfect. Thanks, Bizzie.

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